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Poster: clashcity Date: Jan 11, 2010 8:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best post-Jerry lineup???

I'm certain many will differ with my point of view on this one.

I don't see how there is any getting around that Garcia was the conduit to the "other side", the lightning rod, etc...

I listen to this music to hear him play. Don't get me wrong I know how important every other member of the band is, but Garcia was the key to the whole thing.

These other projects are all fine and good to try and preserve some element of what the music was, is and can be,

But c'mon its just horrible that Bob and Phil have now stooped to such low level to get the Jerry imitator from DSO.

This current incarnation is a much bigger joke than any of the previous.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 11, 2010 11:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best post-Jerry lineup???

thats how i see it> I love Warren in many ways just not with the Dead BUT at least he's a peer. DSO are not peers

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jan 11, 2010 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best post-Jerry lineup???

Hey, clash - I'm going to agree and disagree with you here. I'm standing by my argument that the Grateful Dead sound was something that was greater then the sum of its parts and that Phil, Bob and Bill were as crucial as Jerry - not just important, crucial. My belief is that Garcia would never have found his way to 'the other side', as you term it, as often as he did without the other guys, and Phil in particular, to travel there with him. It's great that you listen to hear Jerry play, but I listen to hear them ALL play.

Now, where we're in agreement is on the whole Furthur question. Why Phil stopped playing with the last incarnation of the Friends with Larry Campbell and Jackie Greene, a truly fresh and exciting outfit, to become part of a lame tribute band, a parody of the Grateful Dead, is entirely beyond my understanding. The Grateful Dead are gone, RIP the Grateful Dead - what we need to carry the music forward are interpreters not copy cats.

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Poster: clashcity Date: Jan 11, 2010 1:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best post-Jerry lineup???

I certainly didn't speak/type my mind as well as I could have and am closer in agreement on the first part than you may think.

The band is the Grateful Dead and I do listen to hear the band, but without Garcia I have no interest in hearing anyone else play those songs.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 13, 2010 5:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best post-Jerry lineup???

CC--I see what others are saying, having always thought Bob, Phil, at least, played important roles in the "sum is greater..." biz (I believe this), BUT in so many ways, I have to agree with you about the extreme centrality of Jerry.

Maybe best to think of it as a wheel, with him as the hub, and Bob, Phil, and Hunter/Pig as "peace sign" like struts (spokes) radiating out...other spokes were there as well, but the hub was vital, and so to the struts that were thickest...

Not sure that metaphor works for you, but I like it...

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Jan 13, 2010 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best post-Jerry lineup???

totally agree with that metaphor William


i lucked into being a fly on the wall at a Gordon Lightfoot end of tour party/celebration (mid 80's) where pretty much everyone in his band and tech crew would look over their shoulders to make sure Gordon was out of earshot before whispering to me the word, "l-e-g-e-n-d"

on the other hand, Gordon talked with me at length wanting to know everything i could tell him about the arctic, his eyes glowed when relating his passion for the great northern canoe trips he embarked on with a couple of old friends every year...we also talked about music in general including Jerry Garcia, who he expressed extreme admiration for, and of course, Joni Mitchell, and anything else under the sun (except his own music) truly a class act...


don't think it's all that unusual for real artists to intentionally disregard their own achievements

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Poster: high flow Date: Jan 13, 2010 1:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best post-Jerry lineup???

Lightfoot is a legend. I grew up listening to his tunes on long car trips. Never knew the GD did Early Morning Rain until a few years ago. Thanks Archive!

Awwww. It was once here.....tootal boomer dood.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd65-11-03.sbd.vernon.9044.sbeok.shnf

This post was modified by high flow on 2010-01-13 21:47:34

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 13, 2010 1:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best post-Jerry lineup???

They did perform it live once and it is still here.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd66-11-29.sbd.ret.20448.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 13, 2010 1:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best post-Jerry lineup???

Pretty cool...always get a chill listenting to the WreckotEFG...great story, MS. Thx. Glad the metaphor worked, silly as it sounds reading it now...

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Poster: groovernut Date: Jan 11, 2010 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best post-Jerry lineup???

well said about interpretation not copy cats....

As for Jerry finding his way.. it's hard to say, you may well be right. However consider this.... Jerry did well solo and with various formation (Merl ext) I like the Legions Of Mary. In my opinion he may have gone further (LOL) with a new formation after 75? .... man needs change...